Ok for a start. Emo\'s don\'t slit their wrists... Thats not true. And urbis is one of the few places where kids like us can hang out without feeling threatened. Because were surrounded by kids who feel the same way. \r
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Whilst the chav are off somewhere beating up 12 year olds with a 10 man gang. They generally take over places or try and kick the others out. \r
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Why does the government continue to cateer for the problem and leave the kids who actually might have a future alone.\r
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Chavs have plenty of places to go. Its only right we have ours.

omg yeah i love it when we all go to urbis and mess about .. it's amazing and it's really good for being yourself

so turn it into a beach and no-one will be happy

why the hell would you want a beach in the middle of manc anyway?!

weirdo's
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ok,ok listen everyone has there views i think that a beach would be OK but havent you people ever thaught about the fact that it may rain!!! you know in england! the place where it rains A LOT i mean c'mon urbis is a huge glass building which just so happens to be green the grass realy compliments this and it looks very "urban" hence the word and place urbis think about it people wont die if it stayes the way it is but there is a place like what there gonna do to urbis in burmingham so fight my argument if you please coz im right!

ok,ok listen everyone has there views i think that a beach would be OK but havent you people ever thaught about the fact that it may rain!!! you know in england! the place where it rains A LOT i mean c'mon urbis is a huge glass building which just so happens to be green the grass realy compliments this and it looks very "urban" hence the word and place urbis think about it people wont die if it stayes the way it is but there is a place like what there gonna do to urbis in burmingham so fight my argument if you please coz im right!

What's heppening with this? cancelled due to bad weather presumably?!

At the end of the day, it's just bloody sand.

Wouldnt it be nice if everytime you wanted to go to Urbis, you could just chill on a beach!

And who says the Chavs will takeover?
It's out territory, We won't let em take over ;)

so the only place were mosher can hang around woth out being garrsed at by chavs...they try to ruin


why do chavs have to own everywhere?

and why pick on people cos there different and wonder why they get started on in a mosher place?

its common sense to stay out of each others ways

if the beach goes thorugh, i am going to save all my wee for a few months and then come and P*SS ON ALL OF YOU, because the beach on urbis is a silly idea and that billy the skankymanc will help me nall.

BILLYS MORE BRUTAL THAN YER MAM

JUST BECAUSE WE DONT GO ROUND WITH OUR NECKS GOLD ORANGE FACES AND GENRALLY LOOKING LIKE SLAPPER DOESNT MEAN WE SLIT OURS WRISTS

sod the beach cats are only gonna crap in it...and the skanky chavs


your all just jealous cos were blates fitter

SWEATY MOSHER RULE

these 'emos' winge that we've forgotten how to be kids, they hardly act like kids themselves. The beach is a great idea for all generations, young & old. Why should a group of spoilt teenagers ruin it for the rest of the community?

The beach is a place where all groups of people can go and hang out!
ATM Urbis is only for the emo/mosher/goth type people.
People have mentioned about the chavs that will be attracted to the beach.
Most Chavs are not bad people and I think you'll find its the emo/mosher e.t.c community who hold grudges against Chavs
U ask Emos what they hate most and 9 out of 10 of them will say Chavs!
U ask a chav what they hate most and the majority of them will not say emo's.
The people who hang at Urbis do not own it and all members of the community should feel welcome to sit and stand in a public place.
ATM they do not!
Bring on the Beach!
Thats what I say!

'you don't know how to be a kid....' oh please!!!! the last of the angst ridden cliches.....
the beach is a great idea, urbis gardens is horrible at the moment. it's intimidating, untidy and down right ugly looking. wasn't so before the emos and moshers arrived.manchester is a great city and quite rightly should be taking the lead from other cities such as paris and berlin that have urban beaches.
a bit of tolerance for everybody - the beach won't be there forever, manchester is a big place so there is space for hanging out if you so desire. don't be afraid of change, it can be quite nice sometimes.

As for the comments about "emos" and "moshers", that is just pathetic.

The fact is, that Urbis is being used already by young people and filling Urbis with sand, which will get dirty and full of glass will not stop the teenagers gathering there.

Good idea, if only England had better weather and the "beach" would actually stay clean.

It's a stupid idea. Obviously, we'll have all the chavs kicking sand at people, adults drinking (yes,surrounding Urbis with stands selling alcohol.. GREAT IDEA!!) and generally the sand getting dirty.

People go to Urbis now rain or shine, but in the rain, no one is going to want to go to the "beach".

Manchester is not a seaside resort; it is in the city. If people want to go to a real beach, they'll travel to Blackpool or somewhere else.

i think a beach wud be gd lol, manchester has everything but a beach after all

I Hand Round on urbis. I have Fun. Love going. y'know where else i love? the beach! This will be mint and can't wait (Y).

in a response to a comment down there somewhere from against urbis beach : "you dont realise it because you're all adults.
you dont know how to be a kid.
how to be a teenager."
oh get over yourselves!! most of the support urbis beach supporters are your age. your age doesn't come into it at all, the fact is you just can't accept change and we can. BRING ON THE BEACHHH

i don't see why urbis should feel they shouldn't do the beach simply because of the moshers, who are only a very small percentage of the people who live here in manchester and do nothing but cause a load of trouble there anyway. myspace.com/supporturbisbeach !!!!!!

nah i got one more thing to say aswell,....whats a stereotype?its manchester for fcuk sake Why are the only people bothered about stereotypes the emo's and the "Moshers" we didnt call u these names either thats what you chose to be called in your cult and what you like to represent yourself as so why are you the only ones who think the world is fcukin against ya when we can all clearly see your statement,i tell ya man as for the chav comment they wouldnt let chavs on there itl b blocked off and security will be around the area such as police are 24/7 round town anyways,and at the end of the day so what?whos gonna go on the beach at night unless theres a party or dj set on there chavs arent out in the day well they are but its a mixed reception why cant chavs moshers and all the other types these days just all get along its modern day manchester where Thugs,gangsters and wannabes,chavs,moshers,Middle Class Working Class Dole class and upper class all walk past and muddle with eachover without hassle everyday why do you wanna keep yourself apart from the rest of the world?we didnt force you emos n tha into the urbis gardens there is no stoppin of free speech you just need a license to flyer you always have dun thats why clubs hire people with them tags round their necks wen u see em in town your just using every excuse in the book,but wait,there is one thing i do agree on though,the urbis and the attention to the types of people in manchester which is wrongly represented in the eyes of the surrounding UK,It seems students and upper class citizens are floggin the city these days infact manchester itself is switchin its whole set up to accomodate for these types,which leaves nothing left or bonuses for the actual residents of manc,for example,the arndale-been updated all modernised,but there isnt a shop in there that would relate to the types of people in manchester,but they take away such places like "coliseum"do you remember that ppl,well that was a good fcukin place,cheap and cheerful and always had uniqueness without the image of big brands and names,but they replaced it for a set of high end one bed flats which only top dogs can afford anyways,wtf is goin on with the glamourisation of the city,it seems everyone surroundin it cant afford 2 live in it these days i think people will think the same way and you know what im only young myself but i can already see the patterns im fcukin bored of manc becos there is nothing for young people to associate with Governments taking away its tradition and value for high end market ponce.ive had my say.tell me what you think.

Why Are use all moanin about a fcukin beach brought into manchester man its new its original people get bored of the moshers anyways they got other places to chill they dont look that interested if they want a skate ramp head to bones stockport stop moanin about change if its the only place they can chill then can i just say,what are manchester doing then?introducing new mad original but chillout locations for people,moshers n emos arent the only concern its like the piccadilly garden stragglers every saturday teens around there when it all got blocked off there wernt fcukin riots and protests go back to ya homes man and have a house party instead of sulking about the place,moshers wouldnt go in the arndale but since when did they own the urbis gardens?Who said it was theres they just took over so they can do it to somewhere else just as fast if you dont like city change then go back to the countryside in ya rich houses because thats what cities do it keeps the circle running and new things being added and givin us the opportunity to have everything we have on our doorstep,think about it.

Godddd when will you people just accept that these kids want to be there, they don't "belong" anywhere else, its like a home to some of them. and tbh, if you shove them in the arndale, people will just be saying "send them elsewhere" when the next radical plan comes along.

There is no realllll benefit to gain from a beach, do it or not, the same kids'll still be there so you won't exactly go near it. and come on its manchester, what is the point really? build a bloodey rollercoaster or something and leave the sand in a place where it belongs, just like the emos.

I really wish you people would stop discriminating these people for what they wear or the look they choose, just because you don't do it, doesn't make it wrong.

i think we should have a beach but somewhere else.
if it was somewhere else you wouldnt have all these problems.
okay so maybe thats like one of the only ideal places,
but still !
im 50/50 on both to be honest.
but i dont think calling the people that hang around on urbis, 'middle-class morons' and 'little emo kids' is fair to be honest. everyone's entiled to think and wear what they like.
jelously isn't the answer,
get over it :)

haha
cheers for putting my flyer up here
and the link to my site.
getting tons of adds.

just to outline a few things
a) barely any of the "emo" or "goth" or "mosher" population drink on urbis
they go elsewhere.
b) we are the majority of people on urbis
noone would be there if we werent.
the thing is, you dont realise it because you're all adults.
you dont know how to be a kid.
how to be a teenager.
you just want to make our lives hell
by restricting where we can go
what we can do
and if we try anything about it
its all
"£50 fine"
c) shouldn't there be more funding on poverty in manchester rather than pouring 80 tons of sand on urbis?
it seems urbis are trying to remove the people who are
already there
d) we're under a labour government. last time i checked, labour were left wing.
isn't restricting free speech and fining for handing out flyers a bit right wing? sure you can threaten us with fines
but we'll just be more secretive.
e) it might be too late to save urbis
but we arent going to give up
f) emo is not about cutting your wrists and being depressed.
emo is a fashion statement.
not a youth subculture
or an underground depressing movement.
people listen to "emo" music
doesn't make them depressed.
so i suggest
if you want to be taken seriously, cut the stereotypes and the prejudices.

thankyou

At the end of the day its a place were the whole emo/mosher/goth community hang out. If there is a beach there it will attract the chavs. There usually is a group of chavs every saturday walking past usually throwing abuse at us. I myself have experianced physical and verbal abuse. So imagine if we have a beach on there it'll cause alot of trouble. Urbis is fine the way it is. And people dont drink on there, there's wardens who dont let that happen. Picadilly gardens has already prooved popular to many Chavs and normal people so why dont they dump it all there?

we are pretty much the majority of the people that hang out there so we should have the say really. we arent all emos that cause trouble+drink ourselves silly. most of us are nice kids that just want to see our friends. i know i only go there for that as i cant see them around my area as most of them live miles away. urbis is the only place we have.

f*ck all off you the beach is a t*at of an idea. wats the point of dumpin 80 tonnes of sand on somewhere kids want to hang out. think about it. we hang out ther and no1 bothers us. you dump a beach on our hang out spot and wer do we go? the centre? the arndale? your basically saying you want 400+ kids to be walking in the arndale and in the centre? f*ck the beach

well if all they do is hang around there being emotional, then why cant they do that with a beach there? (maybe they are scared it might cheer them up - not good for the image?)

Bring on the beach!

im sorry but some of you just need calm down!
it's up to urbis to do what they want, so if i were you i wouldn t have a go at them
theyre just doing it for publicity
and i think its agood idea! all the dirty little emo kids should go cut themselves in the arndale centre or afflecks palace were they belong, or in a field where no-one can see them [its not as if people want to look at them anyway...]
but yeah

leave urbis alone, let them get on with it!!

its only for the summer months - what would be more worthwhile - a beach for everybody not just adults - plus the square isnt a youth club anyway!!! what happened to chillin in your friends house, the park, the pictures - they have plenty of things to do than stand around a square!!

how are they going to clean up all the sand after they have finished and its full ov crap. Manchester Rain and sand NO!!!

wheres there sences of adventure, come on lets ave a beach.

MAKE IT ALLOWED FOR UNDER 16 THO!

we're the owners of the "for urbis beach" myspace
and we're so happy it's getting to be a really big talking point now

someone down there in the comments said the beach will be rubbish in winter..
but THAT'S JUST THE POINT
it's taken away at the beginning of september

people are disagreeing with it without even knowing what the whole beach idea is about

if people support the beach we'd love them to add us
myspace.com/forurbisbeach

:D

I dunno
I'm not sure if I want a beach
but only because no-one actually asked us "urbis heads" if they wanted one.

I think a beach would be cool.
But friggin; Stupid when its WINTER, Who wants to
sit on WET sand in winter?
Atleast you can put a coat down when its just Grass.
You wont get sand everywhere otherwise :]

I'm for both to be honest, I just love the water features
they have around etc. xx

I think we need a beach!!!

would be nice to have a beach but kids nead aplace to hang out
could it not be harved beach and a place for kids

we want a beaaaaaaaaach!!

We love the fact that the pro-campaign is totally, absolutely, nothing to do with us. Such joy. Given the anti-peeps are basing their campaign on what might be politely called 'misinformation', we're just sitting back and enjoying the argument.